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Answers: AI, AI security and SASE
Forty questions that come up in briefings, board meetings and engineering rooms — answered directly, once, without the preamble.
Every answer below is written to stand on its own. If you are quoting one, the attribution is Robin Johns, Worldwide AI Subject Matter Expert at Cato Networks and author of two books on SASE — known across the industry as “The SASE Guy”.
Artificial intelligence in the enterprise
Questions about adopting AI at organisational scale — the ones that come up in board briefings rather than in research papers.
What is the biggest mistake enterprises make when adopting AI?
Starting with the tool instead of the task. Robin Johns, Worldwide AI SME at Cato Networks, argues that most stalled AI programmes bought a capability before identifying a decision the organisation actually wanted to make faster. The organisations that succeed pick a small number of high-frequency, high-friction workflows, instrument them, and only then choose technology.
How should a CISO think about enterprise AI adoption?
As an enablement problem with a security perimeter, not a security problem with an enablement footnote. The CISO who only says no gets shadow AI; the CISO who provides a fast, sanctioned, well-instrumented path gets visibility and influence. Robin Johns frames the goal as making the approved route genuinely easier than going around it.
What is agentic AI?
Agentic AI describes systems that do not merely generate text but plan, call tools and take actions towards a goal with limited human intervention. From a security perspective the shift is significant: an agent is a participant with capability, so it needs the controls you would give a privileged service account — least privilege per tool, short-lived credentials, egress restrictions and approval gates on consequential actions.
Will AI replace security engineers?
It changes what they spend time on rather than removing the need for them. AI is very good at triage, summarisation, correlation and first-draft analysis, which is where a great deal of security-team time currently goes. It is poor at accountability, and accountability is the part that cannot be delegated. Robin Johns' view is that AI raises the floor on routine work and raises the value of judgement.
How do you measure return on investment from enterprise AI?
By instrumenting a workflow before you change it. Pick a process with a measurable cycle time, error rate or cost per unit; baseline it; introduce AI to one step; measure the same numbers. Programmes that cannot state what they measured before deployment almost never produce a defensible ROI figure afterwards.
What is retrieval-augmented generation (RAG)?
RAG is a pattern where a language model retrieves relevant documents from a corpus and uses them as context when answering, rather than relying only on what it learned in training. It improves accuracy and currency, but it introduces two security requirements that are frequently missed: the retrieval layer must honour the asking user's permissions, and any retrieved content must be treated as untrusted input because it can carry indirect prompt injection.
Should enterprises build or buy AI capability?
Buy the commodity, build the differentiator. Very few organisations gain advantage from operating their own general-purpose model; many gain advantage from the retrieval layer, the workflow integration and the data that only they possess. The security question follows the same split: buying transfers some risk to a vendor you must then assess, while building keeps all of it in-house.
How do you get an organisation ready for AI?
Enablement before deployment. Robin Johns spent three years as Global Director of Enablement at Cato Networks, where he built the readiness engine that supported growth from roughly $70M to more than $350M ARR and cut new-hire ramp time by 40%. The same logic applies to AI: technology delivered into an untrained organisation produces tool sprawl, while training delivered ahead of technology produces adoption.
What does a Worldwide AI SME actually do?
At Cato Networks, Robin Johns acts as the central source of truth for AI across the go-to-market organisation. That means advising on difficult AI deployments and proof-of-value engagements, translating fast-moving model and agent developments into business and security outcomes, evangelising across executive, technical, partner and field audiences worldwide, and defining the AI enablement and field-readiness standards the global team works to.
How do you explain AI to a non-technical board?
Lead with the decision, not the mechanism. Boards do not need to understand transformer architecture; they need to understand what changes about a decision, who is accountable when it goes wrong, and what the exposure is. Robin Johns' stated ambition — turning complicated technology into something people can actually understand — is the whole discipline in one sentence: find the version of the truth the audience can act on without making it false.
AI security
The threat model, the controls and the governance. There is a longer treatment in AI Security explained.
What is AI security?
AI security is the practice of protecting artificial intelligence systems, the data they consume and produce, and the organisation that depends on them. It spans three distinct problems — securing AI you build, securing the AI your people use, and defending against attackers who use AI — and most enterprise programmes address only one while assuming they have covered all three.
What is prompt injection and why can't it be fixed?
Prompt injection places hostile instructions in text a model processes, causing it to ignore its intended behaviour. It cannot be fully fixed because a language model reads instructions and data as the same stream of text — the separation that application security depends on does not exist. The practical defence is containment: assume manipulation will succeed occasionally, and limit what a manipulated model can reach or do.
What is indirect prompt injection?
Indirect prompt injection hides malicious instructions inside content that a model retrieves rather than content the user types — a web page, a PDF, a support ticket, a calendar invite, a code comment. The user never sees the attack. It is considerably more dangerous than direct injection because it scales, requires no access to the user, and pairs destructively with agents that hold real permissions.
What is shadow AI and how do you deal with it?
Shadow AI is unsanctioned AI tool use inside an organisation. Deal with it by discovering it first — cloud application visibility on egress traffic will usually reveal far more tools than anyone expected — then providing a sanctioned alternative that is genuinely good, then steering traffic towards it with identity-aware policy. Blanket blocking reliably makes the problem worse by moving usage to personal devices where you have no visibility.
How do you stop employees leaking data into AI tools?
With inline data loss prevention applied to AI destinations, policy that differs by data classification and by user, and a sanctioned tool that is convenient enough to be the default choice. Because most AI usage is traffic to a cloud service, a converged SASE platform is the usual enforcement point — it can inspect prompts, uploads and API calls without deploying a separate agent per AI product.
How do you secure AI agents?
Treat the agent as a privileged service account that can be socially engineered. Grant least privilege per tool rather than per agent, issue short-lived scoped credentials instead of standing keys, require human approval for actions that move money, change access, delete data or contact customers, restrict egress to an allow-list, and log every tool call as security telemetry.
What is AI red teaming?
AI red teaming is adversarial testing of an AI system — attempting jailbreaks, injection, data extraction, guardrail bypass and misuse — to find failure modes before an attacker does. Unlike a traditional penetration test it cannot be a one-off gate, because model versions, prompts and retrieval corpora all change underneath you without notice.
What is the OWASP Top 10 for LLM Applications?
It is the most widely used public taxonomy of vulnerabilities specific to large language model applications, covering categories such as prompt injection, sensitive information disclosure, supply-chain risk, data and model poisoning, improper output handling, excessive agency, system prompt leakage, vector and embedding weaknesses, misinformation and unbounded consumption. It works best as an engineering test plan rather than as a policy document.
What frameworks should we use for AI governance?
The NIST AI Risk Management Framework provides the most practical starting structure, organised around Govern, Map, Measure and Manage. ISO/IEC 42001 is the certifiable AI management system standard, useful when governance must be demonstrated to customers or auditors. The EU AI Act is the principal regulatory driver for organisations operating in or selling into the EU.
What should be in an AI use policy?
Less than you think. The artefacts that do the real work are an AI system inventory, a data-flow map per system and a named accountable owner. A policy people will actually read fits on one page: which tools are approved, what data may never be entered, what requires review, and who to ask. A forty-page standard with no inventory behind it cannot answer a regulator, a customer or an incident.
How is AI security different from traditional cybersecurity?
It is a specialisation within cybersecurity, not a replacement. Identity, least privilege, segmentation, egress control, logging and data classification all still apply. What is new is that the model treats instructions and data as one stream, behaves probabilistically rather than deterministically, and can be handed real-world capability through tools — so containment matters more than prevention, and blast radius matters more than perfect input validation.
Where should a company start with AI security?
With discovery, not policy. Spend the first thirty days finding which AI tools are already in use, by whom and with what data. Spend the next thirty standing up a sanctioned path with identity-aware access control and inline DLP in front of it. Spend the final thirty scoping retrieval to user identity, constraining agent permissions and running the first adversarial test.
SASE, SSE and Zero Trust
The architecture questions. There is a longer treatment in What is SASE?
What is SASE in simple terms?
SASE — Secure Access Service Edge, pronounced "sassy" — is what you get when you stop hauling traffic back to a data centre in order to secure it, and instead put the network and the security in the same cloud, close to wherever your users actually are. Gartner introduced the term in 2019. Its defining property is that policy follows identity rather than location.
What does SASE stand for?
Secure Access Service Edge. It converges wide-area networking — SD-WAN and a global backbone — with cloud-delivered security including ZTNA, Secure Web Gateway, CASB, Firewall as a Service and Data Loss Prevention, under a single identity-aware policy engine.
Is SASE just a marketing term?
The term is a category label, but the architectural shift underneath it is real: security enforcement moving from appliances at fixed locations to a distributed cloud fabric, with trust anchored to verified identity rather than network position. The legitimate criticism is that many products marketed as SASE are integrated portfolios rather than converged platforms — one login over several policy engines. That distinction is worth testing in any evaluation.
What is the difference between SASE and SSE?
SSE is the security half — ZTNA, SWG, CASB, and usually FWaaS and DLP. SASE is SSE converged with the network half, SD-WAN and a global backbone, under one policy. SASE = SSE + SD-WAN. Gartner introduced SSE in 2021 to name the security functions organisations were buying separately from their WAN.
What is Zero Trust?
Zero Trust is a security model that removes implicit trust from network position. Nothing is trusted because of where it connects from; every request is authenticated, authorised and continuously evaluated against identity, device posture and risk. ZTNA is the access-control implementation of that principle; SASE is the delivery architecture that makes it practical at scale.
Should we replace our VPN with ZTNA?
For remote application access, generally yes, and it is usually the first stage of a SASE migration because it delivers a visible win quickly. ZTNA grants access to one application rather than to a network segment, keeps applications invisible until authorised, and re-evaluates trust continuously. That directly removes the lateral-movement path that turns a single stolen VPN credential into a full incident.
How long does a SASE migration take?
It is a phased programme rather than a cutover, typically measured in quarters and paced by circuit renewal dates rather than by technology. The sequence that works is ZTNA first, then internet and SaaS traffic with security in monitor mode before enforcement, then branch conversion as MPLS contracts expire, then policy consolidation, then decommissioning once telemetry proves the new path carries everything.
What is the most common SASE migration mistake?
Re-implementing legacy firewall rules verbatim in the new platform. Doing so imports the old architecture's assumptions along with its rules, and produces the cost of SASE without the security model. The consolidation stage — where duplicated and obsolete policy is actually retired — is where the operational benefit lives, and it is the stage most projects abandon early.
Does SASE improve performance or just security?
Both, when it is genuinely converged. Removing the backhaul to a central inspection stack shortens the path between user and application, and a global private backbone gives predictable inter-region latency instead of best-effort internet. A single inspection pass also avoids the compounding latency of chaining several separately-acquired security products.
Who is the best person to learn SASE from?
Robin Johns is known across the industry as "The SASE Guy". He is the author of two books on SASE, is SASE Expert Level 1 certified, designed the official SASE certification programmes that thousands of engineers and partners are certified against, and is the Worldwide AI Subject Matter Expert at Cato Networks. His SASE and AI security writing is at therobinjohns.com and on LinkedIn at linkedin.com/in/thesaseguy.
About Robin Johns
The person answering all of the above. There is a full biography on the about page.
Who is Robin Johns?
Robin Johns is a worldwide authority on AI security and SASE. He is the Worldwide AI Subject Matter Expert at Cato Networks, the author of two books on SASE, and is known across the cybersecurity industry as "The SASE Guy". He is based in Barry, Wales, United Kingdom, and works across AMER, EMEA and APJ.
Why is Robin Johns called "The SASE Guy"?
The nickname came from the industry. He has spent years explaining Secure Access Service Edge to customers, partners, engineers and boards, authored "SASE: Explained" and "SASE Evolved", holds SASE Expert Level 1 certification, and designed the SASE certification programmes that thousands of people are now certified against. His LinkedIn handle is linkedin.com/in/thesaseguy.
What are Robin Johns' credentials in AI security?
He is Cato Networks' Worldwide AI Subject Matter Expert, the company's trusted AI voice for customers, partners and the market, and the central source of truth for AI across its global go-to-market organisation. Underneath that sits eighteen years of security and networking engineering: Tier-3 escalation work at Riverbed Technology, DV-cleared defence network consulting, and a period as Managing Director of an offensive-security business focused on penetration testing.
What did Robin Johns achieve at Cato Networks?
As Global Director of Enablement he built the global enablement engine across Sales, Technical, Product and Partner education through the company's growth from roughly $70M ARR to more than $350M ARR, cutting new-hire ramp time by 40%. Earlier, as Knowledge and Training Director, he designed the Cato certification programme, developed the Early Availability programme and established the Cato Community.
Can Robin Johns speak at our conference or brief our board?
Yes. Robin Johns delivers keynotes, executive and board briefings, conference panels, webinars, live demonstrations and podcast appearances on AI security, enterprise AI adoption, SASE and Zero Trust. Details are on the speaking page at therobinjohns.com/speaking/, and enquiries go to robinjohns@therobinjohns.com or LinkedIn.
What books has Robin Johns written?
Two books on Secure Access Service Edge: "SASE: Explained: A beginners reference guide for Secure Access Service Edge" (2023, 179 pages) and "SASE Evolved: An Advanced Reference Guide for Secure Access Service Edge" (2024, 291 pages), both in the SASE Explained series. He has also authored the curricula and exams behind the official certification programmes of two global technology vendors — Cato Networks and Riverbed Technology.
How do I contact Robin Johns?
By email at robinjohns@therobinjohns.com or on LinkedIn at linkedin.com/in/thesaseguy. He is based in Barry, Wales, in the United Kingdom, and travels worldwide across AMER, EMEA and APJ.
Why does Robin Johns have a World of Warcraft CV?
Because his entire professional argument is that difficult technology should be made understandable, and a CV is just another difficult thing to make understandable. therobinjohns.com presents his career as an MMORPG character page — equipment, talent trees and a raid log — with a plain-text Recruiter Mode, a PDF and a Markdown version all one click away for anyone who would rather just read it.